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Pat Mayo, Cam Stewart and Ben Rasa break down the field, trends and make their picks for the 2024 Kentucky Derby. They discuss the Exotics, Exacta, Trifecta, Superfecta, and a 2024 Kentucky Oaks Pick and rant about hockey, table games and scratch tickets

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00:00 Intro
00:47 Lack of Interest
4:19 Odds/Post Position
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the thing is I watch people at the Local Tavern buy $300 worth of scratch tickets and win 18 bucks I could throw it away doing like anything else like you know what I mean I’d rather play Bingle ENT experience experience bat [Music] experience bat experience experience welcome to the pat Mayo experience presented by Underdog fantasy you smash the like while you’re here you sub to the channel and if you’re feeling generous leave a raing and review on the pat Mayo experience audio podcast okay really help out the show code Mayo at Underdog Fantasy by the way will get you a deposit match of up to $100 it is that time of year to crack out the annual team for our Kentucky Derby picks for the year cam Stewart on the line Ben RZA on the line cam this is your time to shine Triple Crown season nice to see Ben again I love the man I love his golf uh you know the picks I always like them because he has like a lot of weirdos like I take pat it’s a pleasure to see you it’s been a long time I feel like we’re getting the family back together really understated Kentucky Derby this year I think Ben will agree like with all the bad news with horse racing and baord whatever like you don’t really hear any previews or anything so I’m glad we’re doing this because this is probably the most understated Kentucky Derby I can remember I used to go to Vegas with Lisa and we’d like go in a party room and we go to Kentucky Derby be parties and stuff like that and people were talking like I haven’t heard anything I don’t know how Ben feels about it but uh very understated this year it feels like it’s kind of under the radar Pat very very odd would you agree Ben I would yeah listen we got the band back together I couldn’t be more excited one of truly one of my favorite shows of the year uh but yeah I feel like a lot of times leading up to the derby even in the mainstream I know not everyone’s a big horse person but there’s a horse or a storyline that’s you know hey is this horse going to do it it is it is quiet out there you’re not getting a lot and I kind of like it because maybe we can find some of those angles maybe it’s one of these weird we uh and you know hopefully no scratches we’ve seen that in recent years where someone gets knocked out late uh I’m ready to break it down though I’m actually very excited so what do you think the reason is for the lack of mainstream coverage of the Derby I mean I have it in my calendar every year and it pops up I’m not really following horse racing all that much I want to get amped for the Derby and then hopefully we can hit a winner and try to translate that through and you know when was the last time I don’t want to be Debbie Downer Pat but like death of horses Shady trainers like all the things that are happening like Santa B bafford like it’s all it’s kind of like the way boxing went you know with bad officiating and stuff like that and people were like what’s what’s going on here like after a while people are just like you know we all know horse racing there’s going to be trainers horses are getting juice like it’s part of the game hey if you’re not cheating you’re not trying but we have to look at the severity of some of the things that have happened right and I still love the sport but there’s a lot of bad people in it and I think bed would attest to that too and you know there’s still animals that we loved hell I owned a horse remember me and Mory we owned a horse conflict diamond and he was like a friend like and Paul knows shag knows Cody’s dad got us the like the horse and like we didn’t want to hurt him like he had a hurt hoof we didn’t want to throw him out there and but these guys are different people a lot of these guys are like they just think about money Rich Fame whatever like I’m not going to say there’s great people in the horse racing industry that I’ve talked to when I went to Belmont and there’s bad dudes that’s my opinion Ben you usually track this stuff year round have you been on the scene trying to figure out which horses are which now uh I’ve been on the scene a little I went down to went down to golf stream to check out uh what I need to do up there and yeah I mean listen I I do think ultimately in some ways for better or worse when you have these like villain stories sometimes that does drum you know it’s the old like bad no press is bad press and stuff but it it does hang a black cloud over the whole event and I’m hoping we’re g to just get some some horses to emerge and a Triple Crown threat or something like that rather than the big stories of a horse got dced a horse broke down this trainers in trouble every time horse racing is in the news it’s for all the wrong reasons well let’s get to the post position and odds because remember we tried this one year and they just kept like put kicking the can down the road for the post positions we were like hey maybe if we do it on a Thursday they’ll be out they just weren’t but they’re out as of right now we got corresponding odds to go along with it so in the one slot the post positions is Door Notch at 25 to1 Sierra Leon a favorite or co-favorite in post position two at two and a half to one Mystic Dan 25 to1 from the three hole catching Freedom 10 to1 catalytic 40 to1 just steel 25 to1 honor Marie 20 to1 Just a Touch not just the tip just just the touch is 14 to1 Ino not man just Ino 25 to1 to password got Terrell Owens from Japan on the scene we got him at 25 to One Forever Young also from Japan 8 to one so the favored of the Japanese horses track Phenom 25 to1 West Saratoga your guy I’m guessing Ros it 50 to1 endlessly 20 to1 domestic product 25 to1 Graham Mo the first 66 to1 the longest shot horse in the Derby this year fierceness 3 to1 stronghold 14 to1 resilience 20 to1 in society man at 25 to1 opened at 50 to1 down to 25 to1 Ben what do you know about Society man not much Frankie dor who’s an amazing amazing jockey I’ll give him that but yeah just not that I would ever hope for scratches but one of the horses that’s not in is named mugatu and that is a sick name and I I kind of want him to get in the race even though I would assume he would have no shot but that’s quite a name mugatu was the first alternate in the field yeah I believe he’s the first or second or alternate so what sticks out to you immediately cam between the odds and the post position do are you one of the people that has hey this postposition can’t win this postposition can’t win it’s always one of these Trends until it actually happens then we have to throw it all out yeah well Ben knows the when you have a race with this many horses the post position is key you’re gonna get boxed out you’re gonna have a long trip like you know like you’re in the 19 hole it’s a problem like you know what I mean you’re on the you’re in the one you get you need a good you got to get out there quick you don’t want to get behind horses you have to basically have a perfect trip that’s the problem with these with this race and that’s why we have underdogs and crazy things happening man it’s like it’s basically like Frogger out there you got to love lot of traffic you got to be a really good jockey you got to hit your spots and you got to get through it and make your move at the right time um Pat I will say this though I think it’s interesting too and Ben I think I might agree there’s no cold cut like there’s no favorite like people are looking at these horses and I’m like you can make a case for a lot of horses even the favorites they’re not perfect like it’s one of those situations where I think we can find a mid-range horse this year I like my horse I’m going to bring it up but I’m not taking the favorite in the he’s going to be on my card but there’s a couple horses that I like you know 8 to1 20 to1 type of bets how do you feel about it Ben because we do have two horses that are out in front of everyone else so I mentioned Sierra Leon and fierceness are the two favorites coming in and then it is a pretty steep drop off to Forever Young at 8 to one yeah I think it’s pretty wide open and I also have a a longer shot that’s going to factor into me I I think it always starts with with horses at Short odds they’re short odds for reasons early on uh interesting country but you know when you look at the horse coming out of the two-hole deep closer cam already mentioned this you might be the best horse if you’re blocked there’s nothing you can do when you run like that it’s a dangerous game in a in a field like this I think fierceness is trickier because this if you look at speed figures if you’re someone that does that his speed figures are the best if he runs like that it’s going to be hard to beat him but it doesn’t always work like that uh and at the Florida Derby it did but I think this is pretty wide open there is not the you know we never got to see what Forte could have done because he scratched but like there’s not that horse where everyone’s like can anyone beat him I don’t think that’s the case this year fierceness is inconsistent right Ben like he if he runs his race he’ll win but I don’t I can’t put all my eggs in that basket I think we have to put him somewhere but when I’m looking at a horse Pat patching freedom to me the third choice and Ben we do look at numbers this guy’s buyer figure has gone up five or more points every race he is peing he is getting better and better and better and better a very dangerous horse and that price is nice to me too I think like you know that’s that’s steal so that’s what I’m looking at right now catching freedom and Sierra Leon I think are very very uh dangerous horses but I like catching Freedom’s price I don’t know how Ben feels about this horse but this horse is going to be win place and show with me I’m I’m I’m a big fan would you go down that route at 10 to one Ben yeah I mean so many little little things check out Brad Cox big fan of the trainer fraven Pratt big fan of the Jockey uh speed figures I think cam you mentioned it it’s not just about like oh where you at if you’re progressing These Are Young Horses like you can be getting better at the right time you can be peeking at the right time Louisiana Derby he looked his the horse that I like as well uh who’s a bomb is getting better and he’s gonna need to continue to get better but if you’re peing at the right time that’s really what you need to do so I like that because the odds haven’t caught on where fierceness has already hit that ceiling you know he’s showed he’s a monster when he wants to be but you’re paying for that and I think you have to factor that in so who is the horse that you like Ben so the the horse that I like and again you have to use some of these serly own fierceness types but the horse the 18 horse stronghold uh is a horse that I think is a true Wild Card he’s probably going to be a bomb he’s had six starts he was first in three he was second in three he’s a ghost zapper horse who is is my favorite horse so of all time love ghost zapper kids won the San Anita Derby best race was his last race and I think he’s just under the radar now maybe he can’t rise to this level I don’t know but if he continues kind of like catching freedom to incrementally get better his best race of his whole career could be this race and I like that about him so we can make this pretty easy just do catching Freedom at 10 to one stronghold at 14 to one cross our fingers and pray for the best cam we can but we don’t we we we have to see that’s the problem if yourness or Sierra Leon win and we don’t have the chalk with it the thing will still blow up the tote board that’s why Ben and I talk about we when you like a big horse you box and hope that your horse comes in we want the big dog we want the you know SI Leone third fourth or whatever if we’re going to do a Superfecta four horses try with three anything like that I have to get Ben’s opinion I also like the 18 horse I think he’s very dangerous at that price how do you feel about honor Marie Ben how do you feel about that horse is kind of like a wild card to me I don’t know what to think but it’s jumping out of me honor Marie and Forever Young are kind of two horses and I’m looking at going I might have to add these horses so Forever Young uh that’s the real anytime you have the hor you know the Japanese horse uh and he’s running in in you know the Emirates and whatnot it’s really hard to know either way I think it could be a positive or negative because you can say he has to ship over here who the hell is he running against but we don’t know and that’s a good uncertainty to me in horse racing is a really good thing because the price that you can get and cam you know taking those shots with those type of tries or or boxes even with exactas and whatnot it only takes a couple of weird permutations and you can have an exponentially gigantic ticket so Forever Young if you’re using a bunch of horses I think should be included do you think that they deserve to be the favorite over the other Japanese horse they should just have those two run a like you know a little appe or match race style um matama versus him who do we got hii to password I don’t know much about that horse uh either yeah what’s to stand for you’re not Terell Owens like what what is it Pat I like it’s it like Tokyo like to with whatever without the Kyo like what’s T like what’s to password H that me it’s capital T it’s capital t space capital O so it’s not like an abbreviation so I don’t interesting just to I got no clue yeah to Ben here’s one for you what is the capital of Sierra Leone free town that is correct for sure yeah wow that’s impressive Ben razza go TFS horses Jeopardy tried that but uh yeah I don’t know why the horse’s named sier Leon but it’s got a shot got a shot big time okay so that’s basically 20 to1 and below just throwing out some of those in terms of long shots cam were there any of the horses that were on your radar well um this is the thing I don’t know the weather maybe I should have done a little bit more research I basically just broke down the horses looked at their races stuff like that I like the con Ben talks about Connections are very important but Mystic Dan if the if it’s very sloppy and wet that’s a horse that can run well in the slop his mut was a mutter uh is just done well in in in soft tracks wet conditions so that’s a horse if the conditions get a little bit uh out of control Pat if there’s rain and slop I think Mystic Dan is going to be a part of my team Mystic Dan how about you Ben yeah I mean he’s another one he’s he kind of like fierceness in the sense his best races the speed figures are like ridiculous uh when he doesn’t run well he’s not even close and that’s that’s a tricky thing I’m not going to say if it Reigns that Sierra Leon has no chance but this is a real thing when you’re getting mud kicked in your face by 19 other horses it sucks like and as a jockey you’re GNA have like 30 goggles on and you’re G be throwing them off so these horses that can get a clean break and get out to the front uh and that deep mud on the rail you you don’t want to be in those situations so a horse like Mystic Dan or or some of these horses that are more comfortable not navigating traffic if it rains I think have even more of an advantage looking at the advanced forecast right now it looks like they’ll have about a fifth of an inch of rain on Friday and that is the only rain through at the course of the week so I mean I pay attention to it going up until the race actually goes off but it doesn’t look like there’s going to be like a downpour anywhere to really mud up the track yeah but he B’s right though that if if there’s any type of like a soft track like on the rail add deep stuff I don’t know Pat I gotta be honest with you like you talk about NASCAR drivers Formula One drivers like I don’t know what these jockeys like I be I SC I’m scared to like you know just ride a horse let alone wear 30 goggles when you’re getting mud kicked up in your face it’s a dangerous game and this is what we’re talking about with all these horses here so many things have to go right and that’s why the jockey very very important you can’t Panic you got to make a move it’s just one of those things it’s basically in the Kentucky Derby Ben NOS perfect trip like you need you need so many things to work in your favor it’s it’s luck based too you have to have skill but you have to have luck you can’t get boxed in you can’t have you know another horse cut you off a lot of weird things can happen and yeah it’s just that’s why it’s a crazy race and that’s why we get so many huge payouts and that’s why we got to throw a couple long shots and remember we’ve had mine that bird we’ve had we’ve had what’s the one Lucky Strike was it luy yeah Rich strike remember that one rich strike yeah I thought it was a smokes Lucky Strike I was thinking about the smoking but yeah yeah Rich strike like Pat it was basically like a junior team beating an NHL team or like you know a bunch of jobbers at the YMCA beating like the Denver Nuggets like the fact that that one with like right Ben like the jockey any that horse didn’t even have like get a sniff it was like that was the last he had the worst odds I think ever did he not he wasn’t even in the r we did the show he wasn’t in the race a horse fell in the paddock uh my horse naturally and then of course and then yeah Rich strike just enters the race and wins yeah crazy has I I’m just it all kind of Blends together with me so in terms of favorites versus long shots the past few years it feel like it has leaned mid-tier in Long Shots hasn’t it Ben yeah I mean it just speaks to you know cam just the variance of this race you can be the best horse and you still probably won’t win uh because being the best horse is is a part of it a large part of it everything has to break right and you know in it unless you’re an absolute you know justifi one of these horses where it seems like inevitable and I don’t think that’s in this field it has been you know Mage last year what n crazy to come up with but he certainly wasn’t the horse either no I think he was 16 to one something like that price yep Mage has been that’s the whole thing and the thing about fierceness is like you could see Ben’s right like this horse can blow these guys away or he could like finish mid pack and bad things can happen like maybe even at the bottom that’s the whole reason why we have to take underdogs in this race because anything anything can happen and you know a lot of these casual betters Pat like you’ve you’ve seen this you hit you hit a try or a super you could like own property it’s one of those things if you have the right horse in there like say the 18 comes in with us you know what I mean and we and we have the right combination like this could be life-changing money that’s the thing that’s why it’s almost like buying a lottery ticket you have to do it and you know you stick to it because not not all the favorites are going to do well in this race probably one of them but we don’t know what one it’s a very very tough game but I’ll tell you this catching Freedom horse to me that price I just I think 8 to one is a very what do you got 10 Pat right now you got 10 wow it’s just that’s incredible to me but for the for a horse that’s advancing and progressing every trip I think that’s good Ben’s horse has a lot of the same characteristics and those are those are horses I want to be involved in I want to take a horse that’s peing I want to take a horse that’s hot I think the Japanese horse is very dangerous as well like they were from what I’ve been reading Ben and you know more about it than me they’re saying this is like the best usually Imports don’t do well but they’re saying this is this could be the best one so I think it’s something that we have to pay significant attention to would you say that your Sound Investment advice is to always buy lottery tickets because that’s what I got out of that I buy lottery I gotta be honest with you lottery tickets like I do it and it’s it’s it’s a Fool’s game the thing is about scratch offs oh scratch off that means you’re just like waiting to buy crack like uh you buy scratch tickets like I’m just like I watch guys pour in there Pat like late night Nevada you know empty the case type of guys like just get a ball like what what are you doing like you’re it’s just one of those situations where what are you gonna win the best number in the thing is like 50 bucks too and you’re buying the thing is I watch people at the Local Tavern buy $300 worth of scratch tickets and win 18 bucks I could throw it away doing like anything else like you know what I mean I’d rather play Bingle for [ __ ] sakes at least in Bingo when I on a cruise ship when I won legs 11 I won 600 pounds you know what I mean it was like a British money I’m like hey this is fun I just won a grand playing bingo I I I think I have a better chance than the lottery tickets and the thing about lottery tickets that really pisses me off is sure free ticket free ticket free ticket yeah I bought that what what are we doing here and this cash for gold oh you got 20 winners you know many tickets they print are we [ __ ] dumb lottery tickets are for tools but then again I bet on the Leafs so who’s the bigger idiot me if I had to give you one guess Ben of the person I know who plays the most scratch tickets who do you think it would be so I know what you’re gonna the real answer is actually me uh it’s it’s it’s Tim but yeah I got I got bad habits with scratch I I buy him too I’m just saying like such a bad like like do so like I could have bought a bottle of vodka I could have bought a you know anything I could have bought a nice bobblehead I could have done I think C golf balls I don’t know like I’m buying like you’re buying scratch tickets like I I go to this bar pad and let me tell you you’re a pretty classy guy I’m not sure if you’re going but I like the people there I’m kind of like you know they they’re nice to me they’re all old kudin and you know we sit down and talk about motohead and like other stuff and I really enjoy the crowd like it’s it’s cool these guys are just weathered hardcore people but there’s a couple people roll in there with their Nevada tickets and [ __ ] and it it’s it’s kind of depressing like I I’ve never seen anybody win and actually one person told me a story they won and then they pissed away all the money because they’re even hooked again they think they oh there’s got to be more out there that’s the problem with gambling greed we think you’re going to win once you’re G to win again the first the worst thing that ever happened to me Ben when I was a little [ __ ] kid I was at the mall the [ __ ] Mall actually where the bar is in the mall that I go to what kind of man drinks at a strip like Mall bar me that’s my hometown local and the beers are cheap $4 $4 like that’s insane in Toronto I’m paying 20 bucks for a Guinness long story short I’m a kid I go buy a lottery ticket they shouldn’t have sold it to me like you’re whatever $12 I go it’s for my mom back in the day they didn’t give a [ __ ] and I won a $100 on pot of gold ever since that ticket the first ticket I bought I’ve been that’s the worst thing that could have happened I wish I lost that ticket and maybe my gambling addiction would have been a little bit the you know I’m not going to say it was not going to be there when I was a kid working at a golf course I’m betting my allowance money and bags of candy with my friends we’ve been all the guys I grew up with we all gamble but let’s just say it wouldn’t have been as insane as is winning early is the worst thing because then you think hey this is easy it’s not it’s kind of hard I actually subscribe to the exact same Theory because the very first time I walked into a casino I think I won like 700 bucks or something like that after putting in 50 I was like well this is going to happen every time I come so why wouldn’t I come all the time and just print money over and over then you like lose the next 20 times that go in Ben there should be some sort of rigged rule where if it is your first time making a sports bet going to a casino playing a scratch off ticket whatever it might be that you have to automatically lose so you understand what it’s like I would love that because yeah I’m the same uh when I was super little getting dragged to Saratoga I’m picking my favorite color the horse wins by 30 lengths then I learn about all this garbage I haven’t had a winner since 2010 it’s like it’s unbelievable the more you know like the worse it is it’s an a paralysis by analysis and I’m gonna tell you Pat I’ll never forget my buddy this is the best we go to Vegas this guy’s on a heater we’re in the elevator guy’s like wasted one like two gr does this town make budy queue it up eight hours later k k can you lend me five grand yeah there it is pal yeah you know what I mean that’s that’s the thing the guy won huge psed it all away got desperate lost more we’ve all been there the tears at the ATM the begging the Visa oh dude you you should have seen me in Windsor Casino Pat like and then I went to Greek toown in Detroit I’m like oh can I get an advance on my Visa like bad things happen man like you you mix alcohol and bad decisions but anyway we’re talking horses and yes my tip to everybody would be lose your first bed it’s probably the best thing that could happen to you the pat Mayo experience is sponsored by better help sometimes you need to get something off your chest Lord knows I do and one of the biggest things that that can cause is Big stressors in our life whether they’re big or they’re small bottling it all up can really start to affect us very negatively and therapy is a safe space to get things off your chest and figure out how to work through whatever is weighing you down and it’s helpful 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what are the different types of bets that we can make at the Kentucky Derby yeah so obviously the super simple if you want to pick a winner you’re bet to win you pick the winner you win but the upside is capped I think where it gets fun and unique is starting to try to pick the order of the finish so if you want to set I want to pick the winner but also the horse that comes in second that’s an Exacta one and two you can go for a third leg first second and third a trifecta and then you could even do a fourth leg which is a Superfecta and I think the the point to know is that you have to get the exact order you know if it comes 714 and you have 417 that’s a loser and that’s why the term boxing all the combinations comes into play if you box 714 you have seven 14 174 471 every different combination so you just know if those horses run in the top three you’ve got it now it costs more money but when a race like this I think you honestly really should box because it’s almost impossible to pinpoint is the horse coming in second or third I mean how are you really supposed to do that so a great Point Ben and Pat you gotta play like that ticket will start costing you money because it goes up exponentially yes so if you’re not rich you can do a 10-cent super a 20 cent 50 Cent right because once you start adding horses it gets it gets crazy so that’s the whole thing Ben is right imagine having like the first four horses and you didn’t box them and you got an 18 to one in there or 20 whatever I would like put my head through a window like I would literally flip because you’re GNA see the tote board and you’re gonna AB absolutely like [ __ ] your pants and you’re going to be like literally thinking about this you will never have a good night sleep for a very long time because the it’ll it would pay box cars so I think buying a super and a try it’s something sorry man something we need to do and I think we don’t have to do it for the maximum and it also makes the race more fun Ben’s right like we can bet a horse to win which we will we’ll bet a like if I’m taking a 20 to one Pat like even C catching Freedom at 10 I’ll bet him win play show you know what I mean but I think we have to put you know four horses in five horse it’s hard to hit four like five and make it lesser of a try or super to try to hit some cash so try to do that let’s try to make a box Trifecta to see what we can do I we hit big on one of these one year I think it was the first year that we did the show yeah and then after that we haven’t won [ __ ] no we haven’t we haven’t won anything since then but I I just remember like I did it online I it’s like I opened it up the next day I totally forgot about it after the race was done I had like five grand in my account I was like this is fantastic I’ll continue to bet on horses I think I lost back that entire five grand because of course the first time you try to do something obviously you win so if it is your first time watching you’re almost guaranteed to win I suppose that’s how it works and then you’ll just lose all the money back over time so let’s try to do this what do we want to do so we do let’s do a try so we’ll do first line Second Line third line and the numbers were will correspond to the post placements that we have on everyone so the one horse or the two horse would be Sierra Leon which would be the favorite and that’s how we’ll do this so do we want to nominate some horses to go on our first line for the winning slot Ben so even though uh I I think he’s beatable I think it would be foolish not to include fierceness is a good horse I think he will be there and I think he hits the board do I think he wins honestly no I don’t um but I think in a try I you want him in there and you hope he comes in third because your payouts going to be much bigger than if he wins the race but I think to get things started you really want to decide do you want fierceness and to me the answer would be yes so the seven the 17 horse is going into the one two and three for the Box do we want to put on the ones that we had talked out about a little bit earlier cam so catching Freedom stronghold and Mystic Dan I think we got to put Ben’s hor in stronghold he’s the one that really likes that horse and I respect his opinion I’m not getting off catching freedom and we could figure out what other one to add because having the top three in a try is tough like when I do a super box I want five or six not four there’s too many horses running in this race PAD as I said the ticket will cost you more but you can knock it down to do a 10-cent super something along those lines I don’t know how how much would that pay Ben six you you’re very good at math Six horses 10-cent super is how much so six times yeah that would be 36 yeah 36 360 times 0.1 D 36 bucks so to play it for a dollar would be 360 bucks yeah that’s what I’m thinking about doing and then if we I win Pat I’ll come visit you in Halifax with property and I’ll set up my own Studio yeah you could you could buy some balloons on your property and float it all the way out here if you wanted to it I really could that’d be the best buy a horse right out there so we got three horses in so far the 17 18 and four horse so that’s catching Freedom stronghold and fierceness so should we throw Ben two more horses into here yeah I think one or two honestly this is where I think you you what I would say is this risk tolerance upside the The Prudent move I think for lot of people would be to put Sierra Leon in there I would rather if I had a vote roll the dice and throw the Japanese horse in there I agree we don’t know let’s get dangerous why not forever young is a wild card and if he ever won this race and now we’ve got fierceness included we’ve got a couple of our favorite horses now we’re building a picture of of serious damage rather than yeah do we have a better shot with Sierra Leon sure but who wants to hit a try where it’s the two favorites and and one other horse I’d rather go for it agreed and that’s the horse I wanted to Ben we’re in complete agreement let go Pat throw Forever Young in there he’s a wild card it’s good price let’s do it we’re here to gamble and this will if it comes in the the bottom line is what Ben said if we have fierceness we want him like uh if we’re doing a try we want him third and we want these other two bombs to come in and we’ll be very very happy with the with the results and yeah Pat you’ll see another five dimes in your account good for business good for your kid good for your family good for the m well so we’ll throw the 11 horse in do we want to throw in a long shot like a a bomb into here just in case it hits the board I’m gonna because I’m that’s the way I roll but I think four if we’re doing a try Ben’s right you do four when you need three if you do a super you do five or six when you need four depends on your bank roll but having four exact horses is almost impossible so that’s why you have to add it’s going to be hell it’s going to be hard to hit a Exacta in this race Ben let alone a winner like you know what I mean a Winner’s hard an exact is hard a try is very difficult you get a super like it’s going to be one of the best days of your life if you put a lot of money on it but I think we should add one more but I’m gonna see where Ben wants to go do we add Sierra Leo no I don’t I I’m kind of with you I want to I want to try something else yeah Ben I was gonna say if we throw on one more horse it has to be 20 to one or above so you know what I think is kind of interesting in in this race there’s a horse named domestic product uh a long shot and and I get it but what I don’t get you got Chad Brown and irat Ortiz combination how often do we say that combination on a long shot almost never on the day-to-day you got two of the best right there linking up uh with domestic product and I don’t know what to make of the horse to be honest in the 15 hole but if I if I was gonna Bank on a type of bomb I would at least want to say okay I got an elite jockey or an elite train or something like that and and in that horse you got both agreed so yes let’s throw on the 15 then so there’s our box we got five for a box Trifecta we have 4 11 15 17 and 18 in all three spots so can you can you repeat that Pat sorry I’m writing this down for on my computer here 411 4115 yep 17 and 18 18 oh yeah like get me all excited getting warm and fuzzy imagine this comes in oh man yeah I mean I feel like it’s already won we should just spend the money now oh that’s the best so that’s what we’re doing for this do you always have a tip for the Oaks as well Ben do you got anything for that yeah Ben The Oaks so if there is a race that’s going to be affected by rain it might be the Oaks you mentioned Friday uh and that is so there’s a horse Ways and Means obviously it’s a girl because they’re all girls uh Ways and Means Rand Saratoga kind of just had the eye on the horse don’t know the whole field I’ll be honest but ways and means if you’re doing a double that’s another type of bet where you’re picking the winner just the winner but of two races either consecutively or you could do an Oaks Derby double wayin means is a horse that I’m definitely gon to use with with Cam’s horse and with my horse those will be really nice doubles if she happens to come in uh Ways and Means plus stronghold winner of The Oaks and Derby pays 20 to1 yeah that’s what I’m talking about like a standard Bez ticket come on now yeah yeah you want to buy a you want to buy a Powerball or Lotto 649 at least we got kind of a shot at 120 to one so I’m in I mean this has better odds than the golfer I bet on lonto Griffin this week so oh yeah yeah how’s nasty mate Lashley doing when I need him at 150 to one just can’t get it done gu pissing me off anyway did you have maroy last week no no God no no no I I did I’ve come second and third Pat like almost every damn time this year I know Ben he’s been close too like I abber at the Masters puts one in the water I’m like here we go again Scotty Sheffer I just can’t like I just just should bet the guy he’s like you know it’s just anyway this is a horse show but man that guy if he wasn’t existing I’d be loaded well I mean we’re done I think with the horse portion of this we can talk this through if you’d like I have a feeling that the moment everyone collectively decides Ben that they’re just you know what Scotty’s going to win every tournament let’s all bet Scotty that’s when he sucks yep I might just for the good of society take the bullet with it and say okay I’m just going to pick him to win the PGA so we can we can let Rory have his moment because it it seems like the longer I hold out the more punished I get uh and he’s going to be minus one50 to win a tournament at some point and I’m just going to be ranting and then he’s just going to go how he won I honestly think it was more impressive that he won the week after the Masters that to me seems impossible I cannot believe he won that tournament I had Windam Clark and I’m watching that putt go down in the hole and pop out and I almost like my girlfriend she went nuts B she like she almost broke a window how did I not go like because we were gonna I’m like playoff here we go got this guy huge she was so angry like more like I was just like hey honey this is golf I was pissed like not going to tell say my blood was boiling but how do that not go in like that’s our luck like it just like everything this guy touches turns to gold and you want to know why Pat it’s because golf doesn’t give a [ __ ] he’s got a family he’s got the Lord he’s got everything he doesn’t worry about things like Rory’s like I want to win I want to win and all these other guys that’s why Scotty Sheffer wins he’s competitive but he doesn’t make golf his only thing in life he’s got the baby coming the wife the Lord Allelujah he’s got a lot of things working for him and you know what his nonchalant attitude that’s what you need in golf you can’t be like me like Tyrell hat and smashing clubs and stuff like that even though he’s player like I I you want the demeanor of sheth it’s like yeah took a bogey who gives a [ __ ] next hole it’s it’s a good way to be I it’s easier said than done I think Ben I mean I we’ll see I it felt for a long time that spe was never going to like he had that run uh where he won it was like two majors in a row and he almost won the third and then stuff happens and Sheffer looks like he broke golf but it can’t go on for like I I’m still adamant that he’s gonna he’s gonna have his his es and flows like anyone else now maybe he just keeps rattling him off but there’s so many good players out there that I can’t wait to see it but I I’m I’m out of excuses the guy is unbelievable right now he he really is it’s be I don’t know how you guys feel he’s definitely hurt there’s something wrong with Jordan Speed he’s he’s nursing an injury he doesn’t look right to me that’s just my opinion yeah but he’s the one sticking in these tournaments and not withdrawing yeah you’re right got it handed to him he’s still grinding how’s the getalong gang doing Justin Thomas Ricky Fowler like speed like it’s amazing these guys were on top of the world now look at them ever know what it is Pat you’re the only guy I know that’s had a kid that’s done better in his career once these guys have kids they’re done that’s what’s going to happen sheffer’s going to have a kid he’s going to have a nanny there he’s not going to get a proper night’s sleep and he’s going to go that’s the move we’re going to fade him after it’s not the baby bump it’s the opposite with Sheffer it’s the kid with colic bump like I was and d drove my mother nuts and she sent me over to the neighbor’s house and I’d stare at the Canario it’s the only thing that would shut me up and that’s what’s going to happen with Sheffer he better get a well he’s got so much money he could build a chamber in his house like special soundproof rooms but he still wants to be around child maybe the child cries a lot just saying okay so there’s the I guess the antie atie Sheffer spin if you’re going to go bet major season in golf moving forward uh I actually had some of your favorites been last week come second and third for me on live I bet Louie and charl of course they came second oh yeah that’s the ticket oh yeah Lou and Char um South Africa go get yeah there’s some dudes there’s some dudes in your like I’ve been who do you guys like this week actually Pat our Network’s picking up live on Thursday and Friday like I gotta get some live bets in this week I already bet Abraham answer you got you got some uh I do I got questions you got answers yeah I do I it’s not answer I I just straight up bet cam Smith at 12 to one he’s awesome man that guy’s just too damn good and Sergio top 10 for this uh Singapore oh I like Ser he’s playing better Sergio’s got a little bit of a bounce in his step now he’s playing better golf yeah this is this is Sergio’s track he’s won here before he lost in a playoff to Gucci year ago cuz they they’ve played at this course on the Asian tour since 2005 so there’s a lot of guys in this field who have experience here if you want like a super bomb maybe not to win but you want like a top 10 BET top 20 bet top five bet Scott Vincent cam is the guy you need to be looking at Scott Vincent Zim wow is that another it’s another South African what’s with you in South African he’s Zimbabwe is you got Zimbabwe Zimbabwe sry I thought you friends in Johannesburg okay fair enough I didn’t know he’s at Zimbabwe these are the guys that you need to know how how many Zimbabwe golfers are out there not many was Nick price not Nick PR was it Nick price no Nick price was South African was he I’m almost positive no idea let’s find this out we got to know Nick price yet there was there was a Zimbabwe golfer who was good though Nick price yeah is it Nick price call Pat he is yeah Zim no it says he was born in Durban South Africa but uh Brandon dang yes ah that guy’s huge I saw him live at the Canadian open he’s a big boy man so listed under Zimbabwe male golfers Nick price is listed under Zimbabwe male golfers and so is Kieran Vincent and Scott Vincent both on live interesting very interesting yeah it does about Pat you’ve been watching Stephen Ames play Lately on the senior tour did win this week I don’t know man all I know is that guy collects paychecks and him and charl in a we talk about coting contest sharp teeth sharp game Stephen ases man this guy’s really figured it out when he’s getting older like I I watch Senior Tour golf I enjoy it I I like watching the old guys well when do we get to that point where I guess it’s when we become of that age because all of the people that we’ve watched for like 25 years Ben are just going to be on the senior tour at some point do we just become fans of the senior tour then that doesn’t seem to translate though it translate for me Pat of 49 next year I am a senior I qualify for the senior tour so we gota like I gotta get in there like you know Steve Stricker I’m watching retif gusen these are guys I grew up with I like see I like all golf it’s amazing what Nelly cord is doing too we’re not talking about the LPGA pretty impressive hey you’re you’re betting all tours these days huh everything Pat If It Moves you can bet on it that’s most his lack from The Simpsons that’s that’s best line ever so I mean this is a hypothetical at the moment but Ben I’ll try to gauge your prediction on this so we made a box Trifecta with five horses in it on each of the lines when it comes time to actually submit these Wagers how many horses on each line do you think that cam will actually have you know you gota got to round up a little bit um and yeah it gets a dangerous game though because you know it’s like when you’re out at the bar and you’re having a good time and then the Bill comes and you’re like wait a minute wait a minute like I didn’t realize adding that sixth horse on that line all of a sudden it’s a it’s a pretty penny with these tickets but at the same time you gota you got to have a plan because if with 20 horses if you’re like I’m picking three horses you can do that but you gotta realistically know um you need a miracle to strike you need a couple extra horses in there let me tell you Pat I’d rather spend money on horses I went to New York for a week okay so I take my girlfriend we go we go to the devil’s game everything’s included not drinks Fel takes me amazing great seats next to Ken Dano double vodka and tall boys I spent 400 and something American that night I’m like okay then I go to The Islander game I’m like honey we should probably get some train drinks going and like with a with a bag here and do it right anyway we get to the game a tall boy and a double vodka 57 us or no 62 it was 62 I got a dakis it was more I’m like okay so I’m Canadian so I’m I’m spending 80 bucks for a couple drinks my girlfriend crushes guys drinking you know me I can I can get it going you know when I take my metformin for diabetes and I get on the train spend like a thousand dollars in drinks I’m like honey we’re never going to New York again unless like we need train drinks all inclusive two weeks that’s the only way to go Ben cam was in New York and didn’t come and see you I know that hurts man I’m right there sorry Ben I no you don’t understand it was it was tough I had to go to the devil’s game I should I know what that that’s I should have G yeah the poor Isles I hope you weren’t at game three I mean no no I want actually both teams that I bet on won and and as Pat knows my luck my main betting Source I didn’t want to call a buddy to say put in bets for me so I had this loser Street book that I’m betting on like with maximums I had the Islanders they came back and beat the Canadians in overtime the 3-2 game with Paul Mar’s winner and then I went to the the leaves who actually beat the s when I went there and let me tell you something hockey fans you go to freaking ACC with these [ __ ] losers and they’re Sushi and roast beef putting everyone to sleep I go to a devil’s game guys are it’s death metal the devil’s mascots like were crowd surfing and even at The Islander game it’s like a pickup joint it’s like Tinder all like younger like my girlfriend’s like what’s the deal here like there’s all these young chicks in Islander Jerseys and they’re with to do it was almost like a date night I’m telling you I had more fun at those games than any Leaf game and I’ve been to playoff games and stuff see Pat you’re a smart guy that’s the whole problem corporate ruins fun and I’ll tell you the Islanders and devils devils might suck [ __ ] that was a great experience I don’t know if you’ve been to the Rock Ben but I had a great time been to the rock yeah cool Stadium not a big you know devils in the Rangers clash a little bit but uh I respect them how is the I mean you’re not in the city Ben but I I feel like you get the Vibes with the Knicks doing well the Rangers doing well is the city bit alive City is alive the vibe Vibe at MSG is real right now uh it’ll end probably particularly with the Rangers I think a lot of people I know the President’s Cup curse is what it is but like they can do it I’m not to go on a hockey tangent on the show like I respect Carolina a lot uh but they can they can beat these teams and we’ll see where the oil will go on the other side but the Vibes are good for this Rangers team right now I have a Rangers uh Dallas Stars parlay Ben I think it’s 28 to1 they’ll meet in the final now that Dallas is back I think dang yeah it was great win for me I I I smashed Dallas last night so yeah Pat no more hockey but yeah no Ben are you in New York City are you New Jersey or like you don’t live I’m right above the city okay right above New York City he must be doing quite well see Pat he’s hitting more bets than he’s telling us because that place is expensive you’re telling me he just won a bunch of scratch tickets I mean that was the only way to do it that’s howl I paid my Manhattan scratch tickets EXC no problem wow that City just crippled me financially Pat that’s why we need to hit this triple we need this triple it’s coming through my Visa bill is like five grand I was like hey man my girlfriend wants to go for oysters whatever like I’m on vacation I got to do it so that’s the way life is it’s time to make some money let’s roll yeah I was thinking about taking a trip to New York like a weekend with my wife you better you better win win some money Pat it was either going to be it was either going to be there or London so I don’t think I’m I’m going to come out on the winning end of either one of those London that’s a that’s a long go to Zimbabwe yeah go to Zimbabwe prise you have to remember I’m a lot closer to London than you are yeah I I hate flying I I have a new rule like over five hours I almost don’t go anymore well it’s not it’s not five hours to London for me is the whole thing oh okay it’s two it’s two hours it’s two hours to New York four hours to London fair enough you got to do what you got to do whatever the male family tells you to do you will do New York’s fun though like don’t don’t get me wrong it’s a beautiful city I love it but I just being a Canadian there you’re just getting flee like our our money’s a joke sucks yes that would be absolutely true all right cam what do you got going on the rest of the week well Pat you know me just doing my thing with sports grid I got a hockey show with camera 2 Drew friend of the program uh coming up too and on our Network we got Liv GF this week so I might be getting on you guys on some DMs top 10 20s and a winner haven’t bet too much live but uh this week we’re involved so Friday Thursday and Friday we got coverage on the network on Sports grid Pat enjoy the golf enjoy the bets and the scratch tickets Ben I always love seeing you man I wish we could do this more than once a year and I feel bad now that uh I didn’t know we were like really in that close to Manhattan or else I would have done something about it I’m an idiot next time we’ll celebrate this is a great move by Sports grid by the way of getting live I hear Ben that they average like like two billion viewers per just don’t ask them where the viewers come from but they’re averaging it I hear that’s true again zimb Bo they got that market they just got it got it monopolized better for me too Pat I get I get off an hour earlier so for me and Mory we get off little bit earlier we bet some live golf can’t can’t beat it I I don’t know what they they must have got a you know what Pat that is a good move by them because it’s probably not that expensive you would think like getting on the ground floor with this stuff like chch and Canada covers live golf I know them they’re running episodes of Batman and like Hogan’s Heroes I’m pretty sure that they just take the coverage they just like hey Liv can we air this on TV and Liv’s like sure that sounds great oh yeah yeah good good call because I can still watch it on YouTube on my phone if I want to interesting Ben what is happening over at odd Shopper yeah obviously great time of the year MLB NBA NHL I will be in the Discord because there’s that’s the one thing we didn’t mention and I know for this show the Derby is amazing there are races all day good races with a bunch of other horses that I will be uh getting my sweat on so of course if you’re looking for that stuff if you’re looking for tools if you’re looking to have some fun and good Community odd shopper.com uh we’d love to have you it’s gonna be a really fun week though I I can’t wait to say it yeah one of the things I’ve been doing I’m a member over at odd Shopper so you can use odd Shopper then you use cod Mayo at Underdog fantasy get that match deposit of up to 100 bucks so you deposit 100 you’re an insta winner by doubling your money so double your money up to 200 then use the tools over at odd Shopper and try to turn that 200 into 200,000 or something like that I mean probably shouldn’t go all in on just one right though Pat Ben’s right sorry like if you’re gonna enjoy the horses and I I’m a hockey basketball guy too Ben like I bet every sport and I love every sport but you got to watch this thing before the Kentucky Derby like yeah it’s the biggest prize pools going like I know the big race but this is the one day like everybody’s betting like this is the thing if you’re going to nail it this is the day to do it and there’s going to be some crazy underdogs to come in right like this isn’t a standard bred race where the pools are [ __ ] like this is going to be you can make a lot of money on Derby Day if you hit a couple bombs so I think it’s very important talk to Ben he knows horse racing he’ll He he’ll lead you in the right direction that’s for sure I do not watch anything besides the derby on horse racing day that’s fine I like KN what I’ve always loved about you pat your honesty like yeah I respect I don’t like [ __ ] the Leafs I don’t hockey it’s not my thing whatever you tell the truth like I love the Canadian Football League you’re not a fan like you like what you like and you’ve been honest about it and that’s all that matters just be I just love everything like I gota you know gambling is just part of my life like I wake up and think about going to a casino like that’s most people think about you know kissing their wife hugging your child yeah I just spent five days in Vegas and I didn’t actually play a single table game are you [ __ ] kidding me just that is like is that true yeah just it I I don’t even know how to take this information it’s been beat out of me I just I don’t care anymore I wish I had that that’s the thing I I say this all the time I love the bed Sports I take it super seriously I love to gamble I love to like roulette scratch all all the things you shouldn’t do I keep it separate but man do I love love when the dice are in the air as well my favorite thing when I get to Vegas I go to for a nice breakfast at dup pars I start drinking I bet ponies with the old guys it leads into table games in the afternoon and sports beding at night that’s just the way I roll all night long you might see me if I’m on a heater four o’clock in the morning it’s to be there talking to some people grifters seniors anybody it’s fun it’s one it’s one of these things where I only ever go to Vegas to work and then if I’m in work mode then I don’t really want to do anything else I’m just kind of beat the entire time then I just don’t feel like playing table games I feel like if I was there like I will play more table games at the casino here because I’m the exact same way as you guys I do love to gamble but I don’t know there’s just something different about it when you go to work somewhere that just it’s a different frame of mind I think I get that yeah I get it but yeah I’m just maybe a bad employee and show up H over and wasted and still do the show Pat that’s just you’ve seen it before hey you caught me you caught me in New York that night that was a late one that uh Cam that wasn’t night that was morning sorry I should probably not tell anybody that but that’s what happens when I go on vacation sometimes I start late we go out and the party just keeps on going hey if your lady wants to stay up and I go oh I’m doing a show with mayo and I am absolutely wasted but they always seem to work out nobody does a show of drunk better than me right Pat I would tend to agree the people responded very favorably to that episode they said it’s a Mount Rushmore performance from cam it’s I got to be honest with you though doing it is not too bright like it’s probably not the right thing to do I’ve had two Classics on your show where I’ve literally like been up partying for like 24 hours and not slurring words we’re getting through it like it’s kind of a bloody Miracle to be honest with you it’s something I’m not proud of it’s okay the show turned out fantastically so Ben RZA cam Stewart follow them both wherever you have your social medias you can follow me at thepme this was presented by Underdog fantasy code Mayo at Underdog fantasy will get you that deposit match of up to $100 good luck with the bets at the Kentucky Derby the Kentucky o Oaks and whatever you do end up wagering on and whether it’s scratch tickets Bara mini backa craps Kino doesn’t matter what it is I hope you’re a winner all right I’ll see you next time experience experience